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14 responses to “Vegan and/or organic debate – 2x guest blogs”

    • Assoc Prof Andrew Knight

      Amazing that Aine Morris thinks it’s OK to ‘look animals in the eye’ and then kill them, basically, because she likes the taste. It’s hard to think of a more fundamentally selfish act. But at least she’s bothered to ‘look them in the eye’ instead of turning a blind eye, as most carnivores do. Animal consumption is responsible for the greatest industrialised cruelty the world has ever seen, and is also one of the very top causes of environmental destruction and human health problems. To see the light, Aine just needs to be humane, and rational. Animal consumption is neither.

        • Bruce Tutty

          I would think that a more fundamentally selfish act was deciding what people were allowed to eat and what they aren’t.

            • Dale Vince

              Interesting point Bruce.

              Arguably by choosing animal products with their greater use of resources, a choice is being made that deprives other people of food – on a resource constrained planet.

              Fundamentally though the question you pose, or your posts suggests is this – is it more selfish to do something that harms others, or is it more selfish to seek to stop people from doing those things that harm others.

              Seems an easy question to answer to me.


    • Laurel Grant

      I find it interesting that all the people who support eating meat in the ‘look them in the eye’ style do not considered the broader implications of this. Meat will become available only for the rich, gtrowing a pig on you balcony in Tower Hamlets is not a possibility. The idea of then killing so you can have your pork chop the becomes even more abhorent to me, it is the a thing of status for those who have land and money. I also find the concept that Vegans do not care about Orangutans and birds nest ridiculous. Every Vegan I know buys local and organic as much as possible and puts more thought into where things come from than most meat eaters

    • Jenny Trigg

      Vegans HAVE looked at what happens to animals farmed for food and then have decided they cannot eat them. There is plenty of video footage available if you can’t visit a farm or an abattoir. But it is difficult & sometimes dangerous to attempt to see what is going on in Industrial farm units.
      Most people only see permissive, idyllic images, or cartoon animals in adverts that stupefy the mind & enable ordinary people to carry on buying animal products without thinking about how they were actually produced.
      Scientific papers on the healthy human diet are easily available to anyone interested enough to look for them. It is concluded that a Whole Food Plant-Based diet is the optimum diet for the Human Ape, and it is also the best for maintaining our habitat.

    • Lynda kinnard

      fully agree with all you say about a Vegan diet! Pity people just do not want to see that.

    • Damon Hart-Davis

      Interesting debate, thank you for putting the text up.

      I’m afraid that I’m in the minority here, but I definitely agree that current meat consumption levels are too high for many reasons, including energy and other resource issues. I try to keep my consumption for (micro-)nutrients and flavour, not calories, and I am not generally disappointed with the good meat-free food I find these days. One of my still-closeted secrets is that roast spuds (with garlic and rosemary, mmmm) are often better than the nominal centrepiece of a Sunday roast…



    • Martin Ashby

      As a vegan myself (for the last 18 months) I have to say that I find my food more enjoyable than ever before. The idea that vegan food is boring is probably based on seeing the boring food vegans can get offered in restaurants where the chef has no imagination ie chips and salad! All the omnivores look at this and really think this is what we eat at home (!)
      However, despite my wish for more people to become vegetarian or better still vegan I am not naïve enough to think this is going to happen overnight.
      We therefore have a duty to campaign for improved farm animal welfare and legislation to help reduce the level of suffering farm animals go through. Having visited both an organic and a factory pig farm there is a significant difference, denying this is abandoning factory farmed animals. Even the most ardent abolitionist won’t deny that everyone will not be vegan tomorrow, so my question to them is always, so what do we do for the existing animals that will be farmed?

    • Patent Box Lawyer

      Really interesting post, like you said, there are so many benefits to cutting out meat but I just find it so hard to do!

    • Nina

      i was raised vegetarian but couldn’t believe how much stronger and healthier I felt when I started eating lean, organic meat. My hair was much healthier and grew much faster and I no longer was dependent on iron supplements. I say we work towards sustainable, organic farming, incorporating livestock. I am yet to meet a healthy looking vegan.